Ep 117: A Hand Up! How Dr. Lena Gould, EdD, CRNA, FAAN is Improving Diversity in Nurse Anesthesia

When you look at areas of the nurse anesthesia profession that need improvement, diversity would be near the top of that list. Thanks to Dr. Lena Gould, EdD, CRNA, FAAN, there’s a mentorship program in place that is helping facilitate entry into the profession for people of color. Today we’ll spotlight that work that’s being done, share Dr. Gould’s incredible journey to this point, and discuss ways to keep increasing diversity in the operating room.

Click the timestamps below to help you navigate through the many topics we discussed.

On This Episode:

On a recent podcast, we discussed the benefits of mentorship and how it’s helping develop young nurse anesthetists. Today we want to take that conversation a step further and learn about the work that’s being done to mentor people of color who are working hard to join the profession.

To help us with this conversation, we spent some time with Dr. Wallena Gould, EdD, CRNA, FAAN, who is the founder of the non-profit organization, Diversity in Nurse Anesthesia Mentorship Program. This grassroots organization program has successfully mentored over 577 diverse critical care nurses into 82 out of 124 graduate nurse anesthesia programs over the past 15 years.

All you have to do is look at the demographics of our profession to understand why this program is so important. There are 54,000 CRNAs across the country but only 11% are professionals of color in our nation’s operating rooms.

But it’s not just a story about a wonderful organization, it’s also a personal success story for Gould. She was a young mother struggling to find a permanent home and pulled herself up through self-education. Now she’s providing a hand up for people in a similar position through this mentorship program.

So as you get started, keep an ear out for these topics:

  • Her first interaction with the AANA while she was a student.
  • How her first trip to the AANA annual meeting helped her find her purpose.
  • Her remarkable story about climbing out of homelessness.
  • The story on receiving a HRSA grant
  • How the program got its start
  • Who mentored her when she first became a nurse anesthetist
  • The reasons why there aren’t more CRNAs of color
  • It’s also about an equity issue in the profession

Check it out in the interview at the top of the page and use the timestamps to help you navigate through the many topics we discussed.

2:17 – Welcome our guest today, Lena Gould. 

6:47 – Her first trip to an AANA annual meeting 

9:26 – How education saved her during homelessness 

14:54 – HRSA grant

18:58 – The beginning of the diversity and mentorship program

23:49 – How she found out about nurse anesthesia

27:47 – Stats on nurses of color

31:38 – Financial barrier to entry

38:33 – An equity issue 

40:18 – Lightning Round

“My background is something that is very humbling. It’s something that I will never forget. During the darkest time of my life, someone was able to help me so that’s what I’m doing right now.”

-Dr. Lena Gould, EdD, CRNA, FAAN





COVID-19 Pandemic

Ep 213: Moral Injury and Nurse Anesthesia

With the increased distress and rationing of care that arose during the COVID-19 pandemic, the topic of Moral Injury (MI) has started to garner much more attention in the world of healthcare. This repeated conflict between an individual’s morality and the management of care causes a deep emotional wound that often drives workers out of the profession altogether. Jerry Hogan, DNSc, CRNA wrote an article about this subject, so we’ve asked him to explain the effects of MI and how CRNAs can resolve this conflict.

Current Events

Ep 212: Thankful for the AANA and Its Ongoing Efforts for CRNAs

It hasn’t been the easiest year for a lot of people, but we know there’s still plenty to be grateful for as we approach another Thanksgiving. Specifically, we wanted to shine the light on the AANA and everything they do for our profession each year. New AANA President Angie Mund, DNP, CRNA is a friend of the show and someone we appreciate quite a bit so we wanted to spend some time with her on this holiday to talk about everything she’s hoping to accomplish over the next year.


Ep 211: Anesthesia Management for a Pheochromocytoma

We’ve had CRNAs and SRNAs ask us to give them the essential information needed to manage a particular case and today we’re going to do that with Pheochromocytoma. This is the second episode in our endocrine surgical procedures series and there will be some valuable info that you might find on exams as well. Here’s the power-packed episode for anesthesia management for a Pheochromocytoma that we hope you get a lot out of.




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