Ep 151: Tips & Techniques for Maintaining Strong Relationships During the Pandemic

Long-term relationships, whether they be personal or professional, have been under tremendous stress since the start of the pandemic. The same dynamics that typically produce rewarding relationships can also be turned around and used to negatively affect the parties involved. Keith and Lynn Macksey, CRNA, wrote Miracles in Marriage during COVID to explore the miracles that lie within these special relationships in our lives. Today we hear their story, learn from their experiences, and pick up a few tips and techniques that we can apply to our own relationships.

Click the timestamps below to help you navigate through the many topics we discussed.

On This Episode:

Relationships are difficult under the best of circumstances so we don’t have to tell you how much tougher things have been on everyone since the start of the pandemic. You might not hear it enough so we wanted to remind you that we’re all dealing with unique challenges that spill over into our relationships, and it’s not easy.

Our guests today know that very well. Keith and Lynn Macksey recently published a book called Miracles in Marriage: And Other Long-Term, Committed Relationships that they began writing during the pandemic. The book is based on the foundational belief that the treasures provided from a long-term relationship can’t be found anywhere else, and they provide wonderful insight into what it takes to maintain and grow with your partner.

With Keith’s experience as a management leader and trainer along with Lynn’s career as a CRNA, there are unique challenges that they understand about this profession and hope to share the tips and techniques that have worked for them.

As you get started on the episode, keep an ear out for these topics:

  • The story behind why the book was written and how COVID helped.
  • Background on Keith and Lynn’s relationship
  • What they mean by the idea of ‘context drives content’
  • How carrying past experiences into relationships can be damaging.
  • Why not create a positive context through our words and beliefs?
  • Being accountable for how you feel and why you feel that way.
  • The common personality type found in a CRNA and how to relate to that.
  • Who and what teaches us about relationships?
  • Keys to communication
  • How can keep from taking things personally when our partner points something out?
  • Stories about trust and communication in Keith and Lynn’s relationship.

Check it out the interview at the top of the page and use the timestamps to help you navigate through the many topics we discussed.

3:33 – Why this topic?

4:46 – Story behind the book

9:35 – The value of the book

12:12 – Context drives content

15:38 – Story about one of the characters in the book

21:02 – Creating a positive context

24:45 – When you partner drives you nuts

31:04 – The CRNA personality type

37:00 – How we learn about relationships

40:16 – Where breakthroughs come from

47:35 – Taking things personally

56:09 – How age impacts things

1:00:51 – Ultimate veto

1:02:11 – Love is a verb not a noun

1:06:08 – Final thoughts


“We talk all sorts of stuff into existence, but that’s the negative side of it. The other thing that we learned from our mentors is, well, then if that’s true and we can create a context to support the content we want, why can’t we make it good?”

-Keith Macksey





CRNA Careers

Ep 237: To DNP or Not To DNP

Many CRNAs are returning to school to earn their Post-Master’s Doctor of Nursing Practice but is it worth it to spend the time and money to earn another degree? You can find plenty of information and discussion about DNP project topics and people that have earned their DNP, but it’s not as easy to find a thorough explanation of how to go through that process and the actual value it provides. Devin Miller, CRNA, DNP joins the show today to get into the details of a DNP and tell us why he feels it can empower nurses after completing the program.

Current Events

Ep 235: 2023 AANA Update with CEO, Bill Bruce

Bill Bruce, MBA, CAE, took over as the CEO of the AANA last summer so we caught up with him to get an update on how the organization has progressed over his first eight months. It’s already been a busy term already with staffing changes and the AANA moving into a new building, but there are many policy issues to be managed and addressed as well. Join us as we find out what’s happening inside the AANA and how the organization is tackling key issues.




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