Ep 165: Incivility and Bullying by Healthcare Providers in the Clinical Setting

Incivility and bullying can be found in all types of environments in our society and that’s unfortunately true with the academic and clinical settings for SRNAs. This can create an environment that interferes with a student’s ability to learn, ability to cope, relationships, health and well-being. Holly Chandler EdD, CRNA, conducted a study with students to learn more about the issues they’re facing and joins us to share her findings and look at the larger problem within the healthcare industry.  

Click the timestamps below to help you navigate through the many topics we discussed.

On This Episode:

More and more awareness is being brought to the issue of bullying in our country but that doesn’t always apply to the workplace. Many of the people we know and work with in nurse anesthesia have been seen incivility and bullying first hand in the operating room.

Unfortunately, SRNAs face this all too frequently and it can foster negativity many aspects of their lives. That’s one of the reasons Holly Chandler EdD, CRNA, an associate professor of Nurse Anesthesia at Bryan College of Health Sciences has been paying close attention to this issue of incivility and bullying.

She said it all began when she went back to school to purse her doctorate. During that program, she was struck by the emphasis they put on treating everyone with respect. That seemed like a stark change from previous educational settings and that’s what drove her interest in the topic. So much so that she conducted a study and spoke to students about their experiences in academic and clinical settings.

She joins us on this episode to discuss the things she’s learned, the impact this has on CRNAs and SRNAs, and what can be done to improve the environments inside operating rooms.

As you get started on the episode, keep an ear out for these topics:

  • What’s the difference between incivility and bullying?
  • Sharon’s experience with bullying in the workplace.
  • Are student’s more at risk for this when rotating sites?
  • Is this behavior more likely when no director is there to monitor students?
  • How can we make students more aware of the resources and how to utilize them to report.
  • What should CRNAs do if they have a colleague behaving this way?
  • Background on her study and how she got students to participate and speak out.
  • Is our behavior as a society making things worse in the operating room?

Check it out the interview at the top of the page and use the timestamps to help you navigate through the many topics we discussed.

3:39 – Why the topic is important

5:19 – Background on Holly

6:56 – Incivility vs Bullying

8:48 – Has Sharon ever felt bullied?

11:13 – SRNAs put in tough position

13:41 – Student risk

17:28 – Reporting

19:47 – Resources that are available

22:40 – What to do if you have a colleague behaving this way?

25:10 – Encouraging people to speak up

27:23 – Self-policing

29:59 – Is this more of a societal trend?

32:35 – Jeopardizing accreditation

34:21 – Lightning Round

“I 100 percent believe that every program in every institution needs to have a zero bullying policy and that’s it. Incivility is another thing. It’s ambiguous, you know. The parties are going to sit down and come to a resolution.”

-Holly Chandler EdD, CRNA





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Ep 237: To DNP or Not To DNP

Many CRNAs are returning to school to earn their Post-Master’s Doctor of Nursing Practice but is it worth it to spend the time and money to earn another degree? You can find plenty of information and discussion about DNP project topics and people that have earned their DNP, but it’s not as easy to find a thorough explanation of how to go through that process and the actual value it provides. Devin Miller, CRNA, DNP joins the show today to get into the details of a DNP and tell us why he feels it can empower nurses after completing the program.

Current Events

Ep 235: 2023 AANA Update with CEO, Bill Bruce

Bill Bruce, MBA, CAE, took over as the CEO of the AANA last summer so we caught up with him to get an update on how the organization has progressed over his first eight months. It’s already been a busy term already with staffing changes and the AANA moving into a new building, but there are many policy issues to be managed and addressed as well. Join us as we find out what’s happening inside the AANA and how the organization is tackling key issues.




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