Ep 239: What Can Be Done to Solve the Nursing Shortage?


Check out the timestamps below to help you navigate through the many topics we discussed.

On This Episode:

More nurses are leaving the bedside every year and it has created a shortage nationally. If you’re listening to this podcast, you probably already know good and well about this issue. So what can be done to attract and keep more nurses? Former ANA president Ernest Grant, PhD, RN, FAAN joins us to sort through this pressing issue within the profession and share ideas about what can be done at every level to solve the problem.

Few people are as tapped into the nursing profession as Grant, who finished serving his term as the 36th president of the American Nurses Association at the end of 2022. He made history by becoming the first man to hold that position in the organization’s 125 years. With more than 30 years of nursing experience, Grant’s perspective on the profession and why this is a major concern is extremely valuable.

So we talk through the topic from all sorts of angles, from what can be done at the frontend to attract more people to nursing to retaining the talented people we already have to the government’s role in solving the issue. We’d love to hear from you on Facebook if you have any thoughts on how to overcome this shortage.

Here are some of the things you’ll learn on this show:

  • Why is this crisis different than past nursing shortages. [4:30]
  • What can be done on the frontend through school and attractive jobs to get more people interested in the profession? [9:25]
  • What he thinks nurses want in their work environment based on what he’s learned. [20:27]
  • Can the government do anything to help with the shortage? [26:55]
  • Why ratios might not be the solution in some locations. [31:34]
  • What does he think will actually happen in the upcoming years. [38:01]


Check out the interview at the top of the page and use the timestamps to help you navigate through the many topics we discussed.

You can also check out Ernest Grant’s previous appearance on the podcast here. 

In the end, it is the consumer who is going to suffer but it’s also nursing personnel that’s suffering as well because of how overworked they are.

Former ANA President Ernest Grant, PhD, RN, FAAN







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