Ep 65: The Road to State Presidency with Jackie Rowles, CRNA, Tracy Castleman, CRNA, & Carole Doyscher, CRNA

Have you ever aspired to be the association president in your state but aren’t completely sure how to get there? We brought together four former state presidents for a roundtable discussion on the path to reach that position. We’ll talk about the traits you need, the importance of getting involved, and what everyone gained from the experience.  

Click the timestamps below to help you navigate through the many topics we discussed.

On This Episode:

When Lisa in Michigan contacted us on Facebook recently, she asked us what it takes to become a president for your state association. As soon as we read her question, we knew it would be a great podcast topic.

We visit with former presidents all the time and feature one on the show. Sharon was a past president with the North Carolina Association of Nurse Anesthetists and she references those experiences often on the podcast. So it made a lot of sense for us to have that discussion and help ambitious CRNAs gain insight into the position.

Sharon just so happened to be on a trip with Jackie Rowles, Tracy Castleman, and Carole Doyscher recently and it presented a perfect opportunity to have this conversation. In case you don’t know each of these women, Jackie was a past president in Indiana, Tracy in New Jersey, and Carole in South Dakota. Combined, they all bring a wealth of experience and knowledge about the industry and how to be an effective leader at the state level.

We caught up with all of them in Arizona while Jeremy was back in the North Carolina studio to dive into this discussion on this episode of Beyond the Mask. Each of these past presidents will offer up information and advice about taking on leadership roles. Find out what steps you need to take and what you can expect if you are fortunate enough to serve in that role.  

Even if you aren’t someone that aspires to become a president, this is still a topic that everyone will gain something from. There’s great advice for all CRNAs, especially those that are starting out in the profession and excited to learn more.

A few of the things we’ll all talk about on the show:

  • Go to meetings and get involved
  • Finding a mentor
  • Know your skillset and limitations
  • Understand the sacrifice

This episode will go by quickly because it’s full of information and we have some fun along the way. Check it out at the top of the page and use the timestamps to help you navigate through the many topics we discussed.

2:25 – A Facebook message sparked the idea for this episode.

2:58 – Former presidents Jackie Rowles, Tracy Castleman & Carole Doyscher join us today.

4:03 – What’s the first step on that path to presidency?

5:48 – Carole feels finding a mentor is very important.  

6:36 – Tracy was a big part of the AANA’s mentorship program getting started.

8:19 – Jackie shares her perspective on what it takes to rise up.

9:51 – If a young CRNA wants to get involved, what should that first step be?

11:41 – The women discus character traits they’ve seen from leaders.

15:48 – You have to be able to identify someone that can come up behind you and be your replacement.  

17:04 – There’s a sacrifice to be made when you take a leadership position.  

19:22 – What resources do we have at the AANA level?

23:06 – How do you prepare for issues?

25:04 – Carole shares her point of view working in a small state like South Dakota.

27:44 – Teamwork is important and finding a great lobbyist is crucial

28:45 – As a president in a state, what exactly do you do?  

30:56 – Remember that you are a representative the entire profession.

32:04 – Summarizing what everyone feels about the role of the president.

33:37 – What did each woman get out of taking the president role in their state?

“Some people might think, ‘Well I’m going to be president because I have this vision for this association,’ and sometimes the members vision is different than what your vision is. But as their president, you have to carry the members’ vision forward.” 

-Sharon Pearce, CRNA, past president of the NCANA





COVID-19 Pandemic

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With the increased distress and rationing of care that arose during the COVID-19 pandemic, the topic of Moral Injury (MI) has started to garner much more attention in the world of healthcare. This repeated conflict between an individual’s morality and the management of care causes a deep emotional wound that often drives workers out of the profession altogether. Jerry Hogan, DNSc, CRNA wrote an article about this subject, so we’ve asked him to explain the effects of MI and how CRNAs can resolve this conflict.

Current Events

Ep 212: Thankful for the AANA and Its Ongoing Efforts for CRNAs

It hasn’t been the easiest year for a lot of people, but we know there’s still plenty to be grateful for as we approach another Thanksgiving. Specifically, we wanted to shine the light on the AANA and everything they do for our profession each year. New AANA President Angie Mund, DNP, CRNA is a friend of the show and someone we appreciate quite a bit so we wanted to spend some time with her on this holiday to talk about everything she’s hoping to accomplish over the next year.


Ep 211: Anesthesia Management for a Pheochromocytoma

We’ve had CRNAs and SRNAs ask us to give them the essential information needed to manage a particular case and today we’re going to do that with Pheochromocytoma. This is the second episode in our endocrine surgical procedures series and there will be some valuable info that you might find on exams as well. Here’s the power-packed episode for anesthesia management for a Pheochromocytoma that we hope you get a lot out of.




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If you’re a CRNA or any medical professional, I highly recommend giving this podcast a listen. Hosts have a great rapport.